Max vs Lewis: Who's at Fault? | The F1 Breakdown | Italian Grand Prix

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The Italian Grand Prix was an incredible race! But the Max vs Lewis crash was a contentious moment that needs breaking down. So let's go over it, who's fault was it?

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  1. Driver61
    Driver61
    7 күн мурун

    What do you think? Would love a discussion about this, just keep it nice! Check our Fuel For Fans here: bit.ly/DR61XFFF4 Do subscribe! We are going to be releasing many more of these breakdowns in the near future!

    1. AMEN_RA People Of The Sun
      AMEN_RA People Of The Sun
      Саат мурун

      @ReachBlows Dick You are just simple racists ️ You should read what they write on other accounts about Max Verstappen, namely that there can be deaths due to his driving behavior 🤔 This is also written Lewis Hamilton👑🏆in 15 year 26 crashes Max Verstappen in 5 years 28 crashes The biggest unlucky driver The German Autobild makes up the balance for "bad luck Verstappen." The Dutchman has crashed out 28 times in his career so far and that is more often than Hamilton in his Formula 1 career. The Briton crashed out 26 times. The German magazine writes: "Max Verstappen has the fastest car, he makes fewer mistakes than Lewis Hamilton and could therefore win the world title. If bad luck wasn't on his heels. The Dutchman is the unluckiest driver in Formula 1 - and not just since his failure at Silverstone." The facts say enough that it's better that he changes before there are deaths... Unfortunately, something isn't right about his Psyche either... Just change a little bit🤷🏾‍♂️ 🐸☕

    2. ReachBlows Dick
      ReachBlows Dick
      8 саат мурун

      @AMEN_RA People Of The Sun - Lewis would have given anyone else room because he knows he can later easily pass them, but with Max he doesn't want to give any room because he knows Max can beat him. Lewis is old and past his prime and it's time for him to retire and why he's resulted to cheap shotting Max with dirty tricks.

    3. AMEN_RA People Of The Sun
      AMEN_RA People Of The Sun
      10 саат мурун

      Nope Verstappen was in the wrong and I expected your judgment just like you said it😏 Your a Verstappen Fan...

    4. The6thBull
      The6thBull
      15 саат мурун

      a racing incident! There is a documentery of Schumacher on Netflix,, he had simelar fights with Senna, on and over the limit, interresting to watch.

    5. ReachBlows Dick
      ReachBlows Dick
      2 күн мурун

      @RakkerData - Lewis tried to bully Max at Monza and it didn't work, Lewis knows how aggressive Max is and will not back down especially if they're both side by side. How many times has Lewis crashed into Nico Rosberg or vise versa because they're both fighting for the championship. Anyone able to challenge Lewis for the championship is going to have crashes with Lewis. If Leclerc, Norris, Richardo, Russell, Sianz, Vettle, Occon or any other driver had a car able to compete with Lewis, they would all be crashing into Lewis because Lewis will not back down from any of them. Max just happens to finally have a car able to compete with Mercedes and Lewis will fight him until one of them crashes.

  2. Oware Siaw
    Oware Siaw
    8 саат мурун

    Max a reckless driver. He will kill someone one day if he doesn't stop that madness. He wont win anything with this nonsense. Am furious.

  3. THE BOSS
    THE BOSS
    13 саат мурун

    I AM A FERRARI My Thought process of this is only one issue Lewis Hamilton was on frech tire's not yet racing temperature so he was sepose to make way as his gripp is not all there

  4. Alex Georgakoulis
    Alex Georgakoulis
    14 саат мурун

    Much better than Palmer's analysis for F1 channel! Well said mate!

  5. dusty
    dusty
    15 саат мурун

    I think I would totally agree, but the fact that Verstappen did push himself through that gap as it completely sealed up at the apex is a reason for a penalty, even if it is a small one like 3 places, and i think thats why it was given. you dont take a sausage curb alongside another driver and not expect a crash when you dont slow down tremendously.

  6. Luke Stannett
    Luke Stannett
    15 саат мурун

    Difficult because Hamilton got the penalty at Silverstone because he missed the apex.

  7. David Dredge
    David Dredge
    15 саат мурун

    Analyse as much as you want but fact is a life could have been lost by such over-aggressive driving.

  8. Legierwen
    Legierwen
    15 саат мурун

    I've a feeling thet even if he had close ghe door earlier in T1 Ver would still cause an accident and called it an unfair move by ham. Respect to both drivers, but i think this is the game red bull wants to play

  9. Philip Hartman
    Philip Hartman
    16 саат мурун

    Rosberg had said one time that Lewis is very good at placing the car in grey areas. I can't remember if it was a podcast or after that famous Vettel second place in Canada. Looking back at that Canada event, imo Hamilton could've just passed Vettel on the inside. I'm not suggesting Hamilton is consciously forcing these penalties in his favour, because like Driver61 said, in the moment, drivers are just thinking about that corner. I guess my point is, Hamilton is subconsciously very good at putting his car in grey areas that gives him penalties in his favour.

  10. Paul B
    Paul B
    17 саат мурун

    I blame the inventor of the halo device for this travesty

  11. Stu Crossland
    Stu Crossland
    17 саат мурун

    Max never yields.

  12. Tesla Trev
    Tesla Trev
    18 саат мурун

    racing incident

  13. Bob Curtis
    Bob Curtis
    18 саат мурун

    The day Max Verstppen proved that Red Bull doesn’t give you wings.

  14. QBELLATORQ
    QBELLATORQ
    18 саат мурун

    11:30 is the most amount of spin you could put on this to say Hamilton should / could have done more. Can’t agree with this at all, if you check Giovinazzi on the first lap, he had the same issue as max but avoided crashing. Max’s fault 100%

  15. Gary Smith
    Gary Smith
    20 саат мурун

    Interesting analysis - from the start Max knew it was an opportunistic move, he also knew what he had done to Lewis earlier, so whilst I agree as a racing driver you will go for a gap, if you do that then you need to be able to bail out when it is clear that you aren't going to make it. It seems pretty evident to me that Max could have braked to limit the impact of the sausage kerbs, or could have bailed into the run off area. I get that he will look for every opportunity, but he must have known that this was 'an accident waiting to happen' if he carried on. Damon Hill called it a 'professional foul' and I'm afraid that I think their is an element of this. Max had to get by Lewis and messed up. He deserved at least a 3 place grid penalty as it was utterly avoidable.

  16. demolitiondaz22
    demolitiondaz22
    23 саат мурун

    Boring

  17. I E
    I E
    Күн мурун

    I think you missed a vital point not mentioning Verstappen's radio message immediately after the crash: "That's what happens if you don't *give* me space". MV wasn't thinking "Wow, there's a possible gap but it's tight, I'm going to take it but it might not come off". No, instead he was thinking "I deserve this space, you need to know your place and get out of my way". That sense of entitlement pervades all of his driving, is what leads to outcomes like this, and also drives the petulance we saw after their collision at the British GP.

  18. Kido Mark
    Kido Mark
    Күн мурун

    Agreed. It’s interesting how different opinions are from current and ex racers to TV viewers. Normal people will just never understand.

  19. Shovel Guggelheim
    Shovel Guggelheim
    Күн мурун

    Just a couple of points that I would like cleared up. The first corner that you describe you assume that Max deliberately drove to the outside where to me it seems like they both braked that late that it was pure physics that took him out there. Point two is that a couple of crashes a go the Mercedes team were blaming Max because they said that when the guy on the inside has his front wheel beyond the half way point of the other car then the guy on the outside has to give him racing room. In this case, whilst Max started on the outside, by the time they crashed they were into the next corner and Max was on the inside and clearly had his front wheel more than half way. The evidence that Max was on the inside was the fact that his car flew to the right rather than the left and ended up on the front of Lewis's car showing that he was both in front and on the inside. Just my theory.

  20. TheRastaYouth
    TheRastaYouth
    Күн мурун

    Wow... Not once during your video you apportioned any fault or blame to MV, but you blame #SirLH44 for leaving less than a car's width for Crashtappen to foolishly try to wedge himself between. Just like you said at 02:00 with them coming out of turn 3, when the positions were reversed. You said Lewis had no where to go, hence using the runoff... your commentary had several statements that were contradictory in nature...why didn't you suggest that MV do the same later on in the race? All Crashtappen had to do was use the runoff area when he realized he over_compensated going into turn 2 at 06:10... He would've ended behind the Merc for sure, but his race would've continued with more opportunities for over taking.. but apparently MV doesn't have the confidence in himself to race behind #SirLH44 and challenge for a pass, seems like he's hell-bent on getting ahead by any wreckless means necessary. Then you end your video after you chalked it up to a racing incident...all the while being subtle about blaming the 7 time world champion. #SirLH44 #stillwerise

  21. G.G. Baxter
    G.G. Baxter
    Күн мурун

    I'm my opinion Lewia has done nothing wrong, precedent says he acted fairly as the stewards had previously deemed Max's defenses within the rules and we want consistency. I get he perhaps could be more aggressive but having just come out of the pits and on cold tyres it's clear he wants the best run out of turn 2. Max on the other hand has made a clear misjudgement. Even if Lewis leaves more space it's unlikely he's going to make the move stick. Even on cold tyres Lewis likely gets a better run out of t2. Max should have expected there to be no room and done the double switch back. If he gets the better run out of two, he easily makes the pass into four. Is it enough for a pen, I'm not sure, and glad it was a small one. The only reason I would side on a pen is because Lewis has bailed twice before and taken the pain for trying an overly optimistic move on a driver too good to allow it. Max for me tries to stick it out too long and refuses to conceed that he's not pulled it off. And I think Max's body language, even if his words didnt, alluded to him accepting it too when ask about Imola and T4 in the post race interviews

  22. Phil Barrett
    Phil Barrett
    Күн мурун

    Verstappen wasn't at fault as such but in almost identical situations, Hamilton backed out every time this year.

  23. rvdvogt
    rvdvogt
    Күн мурун

    Excellent analysis. Exactly right - I think. But according to James Allison's (Mercedes engineering boss) opinion after the Silverstone '21 incident it should have been Lewis's mistake. Basically James said at the time - by the way that video is nowhere to be found anymore - that the FIA rules state that if a driver is "significantly alongside" on the inside (of the bend) the corner is his/hers. Now James mentioned this in regard of the Silverstone incident and by doing so implied that it was Verstappens fault that the Silverstone contact actually happened. And the stewards - or Micheal Masi, or both - agreed in their verdict that both drivers were responsible. But Lewis a little bit more - hence the 10 second penalty. So, if all this is correct - and please scold me when I'm wrong - I would say that Max was "significantly alongside" on the inside of turn two; and so the corner was his to take!? Lewis was at fault and should have left room for Max - just like he did after the start when Lando was alongside. But the stewards or Micheal Masi or both decided otherwise again and issued a penalty to Max which is in no way comparable to the 10 seconds Lewis had to endure at Silverstone. I'm lost.

  24. K K
    K K
    Күн мурун

    You guys will do anything to excuse Max Verstappen. Seven-time F1 world champion doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt from KGread guys🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ok

  25. Anssi Helminen
    Anssi Helminen
    Күн мурун

    100% Verstappens fault. It was either overly optimistic try, or then he just wanted end the race for both. Even if Hamilton was not super aggressive in the first right hand corner, Max knew that there would not be room for both in the next turn. Lewis took the normal racing line as he was supposed to do, since he was clearly ahead. It would have made no sense to compromise the driving line and leave door open for Max.

  26. Richard Mclachlan
    Richard Mclachlan
    Күн мурун

    No way Lewis, slower, getting a blue flag for being slower and thus not allowed to block Max going full tilt down the straight... gave Max a car width before the corner.. There was no way for Max to safely continue on his line, and go down the outside. This caused Max to move out off the track, slow ever so slightly, meaning Lewis was first into the turn. First into the turn, with the right to own the corner, but... he hadn't claimed that right fairly. So Max went... fuck this guy... and held his line as if they had been right beside each other, which he would have been if Lewis hadn't blocked him. The problem is, you can't do that. Even though Lewis had arguably broken the rules, it doesn't mean if coming to the next corner if Max is behind, he can act as if they were beside each other, thus when it comes to the cause of the crash, he was predominantly to blame. In truth? Lewis created the situation where Max would do this, by not leaving room. It's the 2nd time they've crashed because Hamilton refused to leave the room he should have, in the race to the corner. Max should have avoided the crash, but I get it. I doubt Lewis would have been punished for the illegal block, it was too marginal so he took matters into his own hands. Just a heads up Lewis. Expect this for the rest of the season. If you stick a wheel up the inside, if you leave 9/10s of a car width to make it look like you left enough room when you know full well you didn't.... Max is going to crash into you.

  27. sami myllykangas
    sami myllykangas
    Күн мурун

    n.. error

  28. Geraint Williams
    Geraint Williams
    Күн мурун

    Your smoking crack mate... Verstappen knew exactly what he was doing.. He carried more speed into that turn than he did on other laps before it... He was clearly heard on thr radio raging about the pit.. He dived bomb into the corner trying to get ahead of Hamilton which clearly didn't.. Hamilton was always gonna hit the apex of that corner.. And verstappen knew it.. He made a calculated judgement that if he went for the corner he would shove Hamilton wide or take his car out.. Or both.. But both a win win has he new Hamilton would have had the pace to clearly make up the 5points to over haul... Verstappen too aggressive and will get someone killed..

  29. QuantumS1ngularity
    QuantumS1ngularity
    Күн мурун

    For me it was just driver's error by Max. There have been similar and even more intense duels in that chicane before, which ended w/o crash. But that's the allure of Monza - it's a game of nerves and psychology.

  30. Nomi Malone
    Nomi Malone
    Күн мурун

    Max was going 60kph faster than Lewis. Max is not going to slam on the brakes way earlier than necessary just to politely file in behind Hamilton. Bummer because seeing them battle it out for the entire race could've been very exciting racing.

  31. Nick Castings
    Nick Castings
    Күн мурун

    I like Max, but I do think he was at fault here, but I’m not a professional F1 driver, so what do I know.

  32. doug22231
    doug22231
    Күн мурун

    My Question is why does Max think everyone is supposed to get out of his way? Dont get me wrong this I hate to say it is what F1 needs right now but damn he needs to relax a bit.

  33. MrShadowofthewind
    MrShadowofthewind
    Күн мурун

    Exactly, Hamilton made the same mistake Verstappen did in Brasil with Ocon, leave a gab then close it off.

  34. dolita windo
    dolita windo
    Күн мурун

    9:50 Is there really space there? With the trajectory of Hamilton’s car it’s clear that there will be no room to pass without going off track

  35. smurfiennes blue
    smurfiennes blue
    Күн мурун

    Lulu has made mistakes only with racers whom are/were posing a threat to his championship like Max or Nico

    1. dolita windo
      dolita windo
      Күн мурун

      the long straight. Verdtappen, even if he saw a slight opportunity, could’ve backed out at any point but wanted to prove a point, so for me the penalty is correct. I think Hamilton

  36. WardeN
    WardeN
    Күн мурун

    Max was 100% at fault.

  37. RWoody1995
    RWoody1995
    Күн мурун

    I also think racing incident (since margins were so tight that while you can't blame max for attempting an overtake he believed to be on, you also can't blame lewis for not giving more space since theres hardly any space for him to give in the first place) but I don't really see how you can expect another driver to go off track in normal circumstances, run off is there to provide a safe area to go to after a mistake has been made. Key word being *mistake* meaning something has happened that *shouldn't* ideally happen, I think you should treat track limits as if there is a wall there because even if it is completely clear, once a car goes off everything is off the table, whether that driver tries to reenter safely or not they could reenter in an unpredictable way.

  38. Fuck Xi JinPOOH Va-china
    Fuck Xi JinPOOH Va-china
    Күн мурун

    For the german car team, it's Bottas' fault - ask White Wolff and James...

  39. Andrew Stacey
    Andrew Stacey
    Күн мурун

    Can anyone remember the last time Max took an escape road?

    1. Andrew Stacey
      Andrew Stacey
      23 саат мурун

      @Ryan B or crashes 😂

    2. Ryan B
      Ryan B
      23 саат мурун

      The GOAT doesnt need to take to escpae roads, he bullies Lewis into backing off, like a boss.

  40. David Kerwood
    David Kerwood
    Күн мурун

    !00% agree. Good analysis..

  41. rdspam
    rdspam
    Күн мурун

    “Who’s Fault?” ?? Sacrificed grammar for space?

  42. Clem Hart
    Clem Hart
    2 күн мурун

    So your logic is that it wasn't Ver fault cause he unlike Ham wasn't an a$$? #fanboy

  43. Red boy
    Red boy
    2 күн мурун

    5:33 That is nonsense... Do you even hear their radios during races when stuff like that happens?

    1. dolita windo
      dolita windo
      18 саат мурун

      Make a video comparing overtakes before and after DRS, please!

  44. David Gapp
    David Gapp
    2 күн мурун

    Verstappen apologist. Verstappen forces Hamilton off track? That's okay. Verstappen refuses to go off track? That's a racing incident. No, it isn't. Verstappen routinely forces drivers off-track so he should be perfectly aware of what is happening because it's a technique he uses all the time. So this incident was 100% Verstappen's fault. Brilliant driver though he is, Verstappen still lacks maturity and common sense.

  45. Ian J
    Ian J
    2 күн мурун

    Awesome analysis coming from a driver's point of view.

  46. bent andre
    bent andre
    2 күн мурун

    i am dutch and i am sure a lot of british people will disagree with you. a lot of non british media say its just a race incident and there wasnt any need for a grid penalty...you are a brave man to disagree with his royal highnes sir lewis

  47. Donald Smith
    Donald Smith
    2 күн мурун

    Your kidding enough space 🤣 if Max had half a brain he would have taken the slip road and readdressed it instead he took himself out so all racers are Win it or bin it not really smart.

  48. G Schaaf
    G Schaaf
    2 күн мурун

    What i think? It was just a Racing incident, however I also think they (FIA) should just let them drive, fast, fair and hard and not punish all Racing incidents

  49. MRADER55
    MRADER55
    2 күн мурун

    🤡🤡🤡

  50. Adam Holt
    Adam Holt
    2 күн мурун

    I think Hamilton left the space so he didn’t compromise the following straight too much. He was expecting Verstappen to do the classic "cut back" and have better line going into the long straight. Verdtappen, even if he saw a slight opportunity, could’ve backed out at any point but wanted to prove a point, so for me the penalty is correct. I think Hamilton could win this championship purely because of immaturity/arrogance, almost similar to Schumacher. (This comes from someone who is huge Hamilton fan, but thinks Verstappen is the quicker driver in F1 currently!)

  51. Fabian N. Leon Medina
    Fabian N. Leon Medina
    2 күн мурун

    Don’t care, hope Sebastian and Mick keep on improving.

  52. Adam Holt
    Adam Holt
    2 күн мурун

    I think Hamilton left the space so he didn’t compromise the following straight too much. He was expecting Verstappen to do the classic "cut back" and have better line going into the long straight. Verdtappen, even if he saw a slight opportunity, could’ve backed out at any point but wanted to prove a point, so for me the penalty is correct. I think Hamilton could win this championship purely because of immaturity/arrogance, almost similar to Schumacher. (This comes from someone who is huge Hamilton fan, but thinks Verstappen is the quicker driver in F1 currently!)

  53. Alex Manojlovic
    Alex Manojlovic
    2 күн мурун

    Another defender of Max's dangerous attitude, downplaying it, so he'll keep pulling dangerous moves. Well done!! RBR has a place in management for you.

    1. MrShadowofthewind
      MrShadowofthewind
      Күн мурун

      You already forgot silverstone ? That was not Verstappen, that was Hamilton.

  54. Alex Manojlovic
    Alex Manojlovic
    2 күн мурун

    "these drivers work at a much higher level than that" Except MaxyPoops the wikkle boy racer. He's a hothead lunatic

  55. Alexander Watson
    Alexander Watson
    2 күн мурун

    Really interested why people think racers HAVE to leave room - WHY? they’re there to win and race and as a fan who wants to see hard racing - I don’t want Hamilton to just GIVE him the spot…

  56. Stig10001
    Stig10001
    2 күн мурун

    I think it's much, much simpler than this. Verstappen puts his car in such a position where he's virtually saying to the other driver: "either move out of the way, or there's going to be a crash." And then he'll leave it to you to either have that crash or preserve your car and move out of the way. Senna used to do the same thing. The difference being that Senna had many more talents and capabilities and Verstappen doesn't. Verstappen is no Senna. It's just that someone seems to have put it into his head that he is - either himself, Horner, that thug of a father of his, or probably, a mixture of all of them. Up until now people have just been jumping out of the way of Verstappen because they want to stay in the race and preserve their chances. Verstappen now has it in his head that everybody will/should just jump out of his way when he attempts an overtake. Although when I say "overtake", a more accurate descriptor on many occasions would be "shoving someone off". Hamilton has now obviously decided that he's going to stop just jumping out of the way, and decided that he will put it back to Verstappen - okay, I'm not going to just move out of the way, it's back to you to decide whether to have that crash. And Verstappen, having absolutely no concept of self-preservation, causes a crash. That's really all there is to it. Verstappen has for his entire F1 career being using this trick constantly, so when someone opposes it, there are fireworks. On this occasion the overtake just was not there and never was. He was trying to fit his car into a space into which it just would not go. The sensible thing to do would be to pull out of it, but again, Verstappen has no sense of self preservation. A driver with no sense of self preservation is a danger to all other drivers. Having looked back at clips of his time in other formulas, it's quite clear he was doing the same trick since way back. Even in his karting days, he was virtually just shoving people off the track and he still is doing. I think he is very one dimensional. He has the faster car - he would be even further in front if he had used his head at Silverstone and gone wider and lived to fight another day, instead of cutting acutely right, making contact, and exiting the race. Expect more crashes. Hamilton has decided he isn't going to put up with it anymore, Verstappen has decided nothing will change, ergo there will be collisions. All that's left to decide is how serious the collision will be. One of these days, he's either going to seriously maim or kill another driver, himself, or both. Silverstone was the one warning of this he's ever going to get. He hasn't heeded it.

  57. Safar and Travel
    Safar and Travel
    2 күн мурун

    Why every one is hasitating to say clearly that crashtappen is at fault. He has a history of crashes & pushing others out of the road & corners. Its going to happen again in Turkey, turn 1 or turn 14.

  58. robert topliss
    robert topliss
    2 күн мурун

    Lewis knew what he was doing he wasn't going to win the race but points haven't changed and he has the advantage in the next one. Max was played hook line and sinker a master class in how to win the championship

  59. Lunny22
    Lunny22
    2 күн мурун

    What an utter load of nonsense. Because Lewis didn't run him off the road (and also slow himself down in the process increasing the risk of losing the place at the next corner) then it's just a racing incident? Verstappen was going for a gap that was never ever going to be there. There was precisely zero percent chance that the move was going to come off successfully. He never got in front and was never in control of the corner. He had exactly two options. 1, bail out, go over the runoff and try to get a good run for a move at the next corner or 2. Crash into Lewis and hope to be able to keep going himself. He chose option 2. Deliberate and cynical move with only one intention in mind being crash and hope to get lucky. It's made even worse by the fact that Lewis tried much the same thing earlier but was professional enough to realise it wasn't on so didn't try to force the impossible against a petulant child.

  60. Jamie Smith
    Jamie Smith
    2 күн мурун

    Great commentary. What? No instant replay? Whoever is in the lead has the benefit of doubt for he can not see behind him. Passing on a narrow switch-back was pretty presumptuous even for my favorite driver, Lewis Hamilton.

  61. josef salon
    josef salon
    2 күн мурун

    Go home Lewis!!! All blame on you!!!

  62. CatsoPouer
    CatsoPouer
    2 күн мурун

    It was clearly Ericson

  63. Mark Eagles
    Mark Eagles
    2 күн мурун

    Great analysis, thanks!

  64. terence table
    terence table
    2 күн мурун

    ...and in the end Bottas will win the championship

  65. Nick Brennan
    Nick Brennan
    2 күн мурун

    You should ask yourself, over the course of both drivers careers which one has had the most on track incidents, and of those who was at fault the most?

  66. Alex K
    Alex K
    2 күн мурун

    One important piece left out: Verstappen's pit stop was messed up because it was too good. The red light didn't turn of because the right front wheel gun man had finished his job under two seconds. All because of new bullshit rulings 9 seconds extra to reset. This is racing at it the top. And then saying you can't be too fast. All of this resulting in this incident. And as you stated LH was on cold tyres whilst MV wasn't. How is it possible MV gets penalized as if itis all his fault? I think LH must win the championship this year one more time.

  67. Glen Sargent
    Glen Sargent
    2 күн мурун

    It's redbulls fault for the very slow stop 🤣🤣

  68. Melvyn Hiscott
    Melvyn Hiscott
    2 күн мурун

    Max is very frustrating. In the 1st incident at turn 3 he was in front and so deliberately forced Lewis off the track. He did not give any room to Lewis. But in the 2nd incident Lewis was in front and could have done the same and force Max of the track and afterwards Max complains that Lewis did not give him room!! Max never backs out even when it is obvious that he is behind and cannot overtake. Lewis was in front and did nothing wrong!! I believe Max realised that the best scenario was to force Lewis to let him through or crash. Either scenario was an advantage to Max. Totally cynical.

  69. Brian Catt
    Brian Catt
    2 күн мурун

    Mad Max at Monza I din't care about either of them, just giant egos who are too detrmined to win whether their car is the best or not. I want the best car to win, not crash, by being faster, not because its driver takes bigger risks. Perhaps we should have them race by remote control with auto anti collision software? Lewis hit the Apex, Max tried to overtake entirely on the side of the track where was no where to drive safely. Deliberate, stupid. He then tried to force Lewis off the apex by threatening a crash - into the leading driver.. Just ban him, he's dangerous in the model of the equally dangerous Schumacher and Senna. Killers on the track, prepared to risk death ramming the better car to win. This is racing? They didn't dare do this when they could die. Perhaps F1 got too safe, so these over confident egotists do stupid things and expect to survive them. Make F1 less safe so they avoid collisions and the stuoid ones die "pur enciuragee les autres" to drive safely?? On this measure, Max is as daft as Grossjean, that was a full Grossjean manoeuvre. A stupid way to try to overtake and a crash was the only and obvious result of the move he decided to make. If that's modern F1 racing, it should be shut down, or the cars fitted with barge boards / fenders, roll cage and stock car racing kit. It doesn't deserve the technology that goes into it. The nonsense about being aggressive is simply red mist merchants justifying taking stupid risks. Grossjean style again. More care and caution is required to take care of these cars and discourage over aggressive racing. Either the cars are better than each other or they are not. If drivers have to crash such delicate cars with exposed suspensions and aerodynamics into each other to win it makes NO sense at all. That's the "too stupid to watch" touring car "racing", a demolition derby as to who can crash into the other guys and spin them off best and get away with it more often. If F1 goes that way then its no longer the cutting edge if technology, it's just Mad Max in overpriced kit, a stupid sport. Perhaps they could change F1 to a more stock car formula? The current dogem car generation of drivers would prefer that. Make the cars the same and see which driver can crash the others off the track more often. Right up the street of a Verstappen, Grossjean, Montoya, Schumacher, Senna. Unwatchable stupidity.

  70. Winston Daniel
    Winston Daniel
    2 күн мурун

    I don't understand why we analyse this incident. It is so obviously clear that Max deliberately collided with Lewis to take him out of the race when he is unable to overtake him. Nobody overtakes in a chicane unless if it is a street race. It is Max's fault. He deserves the grid penalty.

  71. Jean Rivera
    Jean Rivera
    2 күн мурун

    You say they are professional but they are human too and max carry the Frustration after the poor Redbull pitstop is time to Max grow up is time thanks God THE HALO 🙏🏼

  72. Foxman01
    Foxman01
    2 күн мурун

    You realy don't want to know what i think who was wrong and who was right. Le Clercq did the same as Max did and Lewis Hamilton let Jim live, Max did the same and Lewis Hamilton hit Jim. So who is fault. In my view Lewis Hamilton is. Didn't gave him room.

  73. wiggit07
    wiggit07
    2 күн мурун

    So because hamilton wasn't as aggressive as he should have been, it caused max to be more aggressive? What a terrible argument.

  74. njgrplr2007
    njgrplr2007
    2 күн мурун

    Both drivers contributed to the crash. Therefore, it is extremely unfair to penalize Max three spots in the next race without giving Lewis any penalty.

  75. EJR
    EJR
    2 күн мурун

    Using the example where max pushed him off was a good example but as he said the turn 1-2 is much tighter. If you look at the replay where lando norris overtook lewis in the same corner. With an simular situation lewis let lando have more space in turn 2 where it was fair.

  76. Theo Bolt
    Theo Bolt
    2 күн мурун

    From what you're saying I get the impression that LH wants two things at the same time: 1 pushing MV as much as he can to the run off and 2 keeping the line for a perfect apex in order to run away from MV after this corner. He forgot that MV doesn't want to be pushed and will push back! The result is what we all saw, LH's and MV's car having car sex.

  77. David Houghton
    David Houghton
    2 күн мурун

    Hmmm drivers are meant to leave space, Max never does but you continue to back drivers pushing others off the track

    1. David Houghton
      David Houghton
      2 күн мурун

      Max drives people off the track he’s applauded, Lewis does it and he gets mobbed. I just don’t get the double standards

  78. Keith Powley
    Keith Powley
    2 күн мурун

    I find it interesting the the stewards feel it necessary to assign a three place grid penalty to Max for a racing incident when previously in Silverstone, Lewis was clearly at fault and only received a 10 second penalty. Favoritism in Hamilton’s favor… again.

    1. Stig10001
      Stig10001
      2 күн мурун

      We'll ignore all the ducking, weaving and blocking that Verstappen was doing all the way round on that first lap. He was behaving like an idiot. There always was going to be a crash with him acting like that. The stewards said that Hamilton was*predominantly* at fault - that's the key. They thought Verstappen was to balme as well, but Hamilton more so. Obviously they decided this time that Verstappen was much more predominantly at fault.

  79. Brian Stevenson
    Brian Stevenson
    2 күн мурун

    There is no discussion is there. Just what the hell was Verstappen thinking, clearly there was never going to be room for a car to get thru the second turn, being kind I would have to say that was clear madness to even consider that move. I do not want to think that he deliberately took Hamilton out simply because he had a points advantage.

  80. Dhr. M. Bovenlander
    Dhr. M. Bovenlander
    2 күн мурун

    At the comment at 9:32 you are not really correct, because Hamilton was way of the apex at that point. Ther was still lots of room on the inside of the first corner. So he missed the apex exactly the same way as Verstappen, but less commited. I believe Hamilton pusht Verstappen of the track. The same way Norris en Perez at the Austrian Grandprix.

  81. Hristijan Stojchevski
    Hristijan Stojchevski
    2 күн мурун

    Everything you said is correct. But why no one is mentioning that lewis turned into the 2nd corner as if Max is not there. He didn't have the right to the corner, Max is there along side him, by FIA standars the car needs to be along side you with the nose at least over the middle of your car in order to earn a space. Lewis squeezed too late and he kept turning even when Max was pushed to the sausage kerb. I blame Lewis in this RACING INCIDENT, no penalites should have been applied.

  82. dan
    dan
    2 күн мурун

    Hammiltons fault

  83. Peter Kelly
    Peter Kelly
    2 күн мурун

    It seems to me in these last two collisions that Max goes faster than he otherwise would, or should, at a corner to make it appear as though Lewis is at fault. If you removed Lewis from the track completely, Max would likely not make the corner in any sensible shape at that speed, if at all. I'm no fan of Lewis (I think he's quite unpleasant), but Max is just being ridiculous, quite dangerous, and claiming it's racing 'aggression'.

  84. Aaron Stansberry
    Aaron Stansberry
    2 күн мурун

    Max is a spoiled daddy's boy,who feels a chip is owed to him.

  85. SkillStackBasketball
    SkillStackBasketball
    2 күн мурун

    I’m just glad they both crashed out and none of them benefitted from coming together. Makes every race juicier!!

  86. Tony G
    Tony G
    2 күн мурун

    This is what happens when you do not leave space, right? The fault for this belongs to RB mechanics at the pit. Clear as daylight.

  87. WCADS
    WCADS
    2 күн мурун

    Yes lets just look at it from Maxs' perspective. Max could/should have baled and you know it as Lewis did previously. Max is, currently, way too aggressive if he has the option he would rather take an opponent out than lose position. He just does not accept the premise that to score points you have to finish races. Until he accepts this fact he will not win his first WDC. He has a very similar driving mentality to our old friend Mr Schumacher - fair means or foul will do it. I suspect you are somewhat biased here.

  88. Michael Whyte
    Michael Whyte
    2 күн мурун

    Really Bad analysis the comparisons to previous incidents is so bad the both drivers a outbreak themselves on the other occasion! That’s why max missed the apex so not the same! Lewis is protected all the time.. gets all the decisions. Hamilton knew exactly what he was doing. It is aggressive move by max but Hamilton closed the door too late literally left max with nothing

  89. Tracie Williams
    Tracie Williams
    2 күн мурун

    Racing incident.

  90. Lee Davies
    Lee Davies
    2 күн мурун

    In my eyes, Verstappen knew he couldn’t keep with lewis and knew the possible consequences of his actions. Both them being taken out is advantage Verstappen. Hamilton winning, even with Verstappen in the race would have been advantage Hamilton. Reminds me of the Schumacher/Hill incident. Clearly no room and that door was shut way before Verstappen decided to go. Silly boy!

  91. misolou fout
    misolou fout
    2 күн мурун

    Good breakdown . It’s clear that max is happy to turn F1 in to a contact motorsport this wont be the last time.

  92. Geoff Howard
    Geoff Howard
    2 күн мурун

    What you are saying is that there is the possibility that Lewis deliberately left the gat inviting Max into it then hoping that by closing it Max would have hit the sausage kerb and damaged his car forcing him out of the race allowing himself a clear chance of the win, and not expecting what did happen. Perhaps the fault lies with the way tracks are designed these days with the big sausage kerbs, the overly large run-off areas where drivers know they can leave the track without penalty of exiting the race (just losing a little time), is it not time to bring back gravel traps where a driver knows 'If I leave the track my race is over", while as things are leaving the track does no more that place you in the hands of the FIA who today more than ever have a huge part in deciding who wins the Chanpionship.

    1. Geoff Howard
      Geoff Howard
      2 күн мурун

      @misolou fout And Lewis doesn't? Take a look at Monaca some years ago, Lewis was prepared to put five drivers out of the race.

    2. misolou fout
      misolou fout
      2 күн мурун

      Basically max pushes everyone off who's gonna overtake him and gets mad when the same happens to him

  93. ADDO-HILL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT
    ADDO-HILL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT
    2 күн мурун

    At this point in the race Hamilton was within rights to close the gap but Varstappen's over aggressive nature wouldn't let him concede. Lewis was fair on the first turn because he understands Max's nature but Max would have seen the door closing on the second turn. Max used his car like a weapon and confirmed that by saying "that's what you get when you don't leave space"??? Sounds a bit arrogant and more importantly dangerous to me!

  94. Alpha Dog
    Alpha Dog
    2 күн мурун

    You blame Lewis for not running Max off the road, and you say that most racing drivers including you would have deliberately rushed headlong into the inevitably closing wedge and the inevitable accident kamikaze style - despite them operating at a superhuman next level of perception. hmmm. Max has been running Lewis off the road all season (there were several other incidents earlier in the year), with his bullying 'I'd rather crash and kill us both than let you win' approach. Glad to see Lewis fighting back! Max is a psycho, penalty should have been more.

  95. owen furamera
    owen furamera
    2 күн мурун

    @Driver61 you are a Max super fan …. we understand you love this young gunner but you r biased tbh …. … maybe it’s time i unsubscribe

  96. Arthur Wilting
    Arthur Wilting
    2 күн мурун

    Detail: Lewis did NOT make the apex on the corner (9:15)

  97. S K
    S K
    2 күн мурун

    Max had a advance in corner 2 He could use the sausage as a Gutter

  98. Nenad Vićentić
    Nenad Vićentić
    2 күн мурун

    So now it's Hamilton's fault because he didn't push Max more aggressively? And pushing and crashing is considered skillful driving nowadays?

  99. Michael Taylor
    Michael Taylor
    2 күн мурун

    Lewis

  100. darth paul
    darth paul
    2 күн мурун

    Sorry but for years people have been saying max causes too many accidents cos of his over aggressive driving.